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  Some Bethelites are Jackasses

  by Old Goat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rachael de vienne is one of the authors of separate identity, a history of the watch tower's earliest years.

  she's received low grade harassment from the watchtower for years.

  she posted about it on her personal blog.

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  Old Goat

  She is obviously leaving details out. she says she is.
  
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  Some Bethelites are Jackasses

  by Old Goat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rachael de vienne is one of the authors of separate identity, a history of the watch tower's earliest years.

  she's received low grade harassment from the watchtower for years.

  she posted about it on her personal blog.

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  Old Goat

  Rachael de Vienne is one of the authors of Separate Identity, a history of the Watch Tower's earliest years. She's received low grade harassment from the Watchtower for years. She posted about it on her personal blog. She 'tweeted' Penton's good review of Schulz and de Vienne's biography of Nelson Barbour. The Towerites can't touch Penton, so they harassed her.

  http://wardancingpixie.blogspot.com/
  
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  New edition of APOCALYPSE DELAYED

  by panhandlegirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a new third edition of apocalypse delayed has been released.

  this may already have been discussed or may be old news but i just saw it on youtube.

  mr penton, the author, says he has included jws attempt to deal with 1914 and their new light on the governing body being faithful and discreet slave in this new edition.

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  Old Goat

  Have you tried addall.com? or bookfinder.com? Might be cheaper.
  
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  New edition of APOCALYPSE DELAYED

  by panhandlegirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a new third edition of apocalypse delayed has been released.

  this may already have been discussed or may be old news but i just saw it on youtube.

  mr penton, the author, says he has included jws attempt to deal with 1914 and their new light on the governing body being faithful and discreet slave in this new edition.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVrHwS2LNjE
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  New edition of APOCALYPSE DELAYED

  by panhandlegirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a new third edition of apocalypse delayed has been released.

  this may already have been discussed or may be old news but i just saw it on youtube.

  mr penton, the author, says he has included jws attempt to deal with 1914 and their new light on the governing body being faithful and discreet slave in this new edition.

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  Old Goat

  See video below
  
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  New edition of APOCALYPSE DELAYED

  by panhandlegirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a new third edition of apocalypse delayed has been released.

  this may already have been discussed or may be old news but i just saw it on youtube.

  mr penton, the author, says he has included jws attempt to deal with 1914 and their new light on the governing body being faithful and discreet slave in this new edition.

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  Old Goat

  I read the earlier editions and I will read this. Everyone should. I also recommend Schulz and de Vienne's Separate Identity. It focuses on a much narrower time period and only volume 1 is in publication, but the research is stellar and eye-opening.

  http://www.lulu.com/shop/b-w-schulz/a-separate-identity-organizational-identity-among-readers-of-zions-watch-tower-1870-1887/paperback/product-21546337.html
  
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  Have you preyed?

  by username in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i thought i'd post something that breaks from the ongoing australian slaughter house lol.. so let's pretend we are doing the new thursday night item that has replaced local needs.

  how has jehovah helped you?

  (translated you should be effing thankfull to us 7 men!

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  Old Goat

  I've never preyed on anyone. I pray on occasion. This made me laugh. Typos are a way of life. ...
  
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  Have you ever shunned anyone after leaving the borg ?

  by Clambake in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this isnt particularly a jw question but if anyone knows the world of shunning it would be ex-jws.

  i have a friend who about three years ago had an abortion and i havent been too friendly with since that happened.

  i havent said anything or done anything rude to her.

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  Old Goat

  Even before I resigned as an elder there were few disfellowshipped people I wasn't kind to. It's unchristian to be unkind. Period. But yes, there are some "out of the truth" I will not associate with. An example is my brother. He's a self-entitled abuser of women, a drunk and cruel. I see no reason to treat him nicely. Correctly, yes. As my best buddy. Never.

  Sharing a rejection of the Watch Tower does not make me the friend of anyone with an abusive personality. Part of good judgment is to be selective in our associates. Being outside Watch Tower control, we can make our own choices. But being outside Watch Tower dictatorial and mindless control does not free us from the responsibility to make good choices in associates.
  
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  Russell v Russell: the 1908 court transcript

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  does anyone know how to obtain a copy?.

  i have poked around pennsylvania websites, attempting to figure out how to obtain the transcript, but recently, i have it on good authority that the transcript went missing from the pennsylvania archives over 30 years ago.

  it is likely that there is vested interest (jws, bible students) to keep this hidden..

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  Old Goat

  Rachael de Vienne, one of the authors of A Separate Identity, a history of the watch tower's early days, has a copy. She and Schulz, the other author, quote from it in their book. It's hundreds of pages long. She's very busy and is currently writing a textbook on American Colonial History. You might contact her. I'm not posting her email in a public site. PM me for it if you want. Expect a fairly long delay before you hear back.

  She lives across the river from me. Nice, smart, younger (compared to my ancient self) woman. I've read through long stretches of her copy of the transcript. It probably will not give you what you want, but it's still worth a read if she will share it. She and Dr. Schulz (a Witness, very infirm and not answering any emails these days) have written a hugely important book. And a biography of Nelson Barbour (lulu.com or amazon).

  They put to rest many myths and give startling details not found elsewhere. A recent post here claiming to show the influences on Russell would have benefited from reference to chapter 4 of Separate Identity. Their work on volume 2 is in abeyance until the textbook project is finished.

  http://www.lulu.com/shop/b-w-schulz/a-separate-identity-organizational-identity-among-readers-of-zions-watch-tower-1870-1887/paperback/product-21546337.html
  
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  rejection of your own founder?

  by Mr.logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what kind of confidence can anyone have in an organization that rejected its founder and first two presidents for the first 63 years of its existence?

  that's 53% of the time they existed!

  any comments.

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  Old Goat

  It is more and more difficult for the Watchtower to perpetuate its myths given newer, and more accurate histories such as this one:

  http://www.lulu.com/us/en/shop/b-w-schulz/a-separate-identity-organizational-identity-among-readers-of-zions-watch-tower-1870-1887/paperback/product-21546337.html

  This book is a treasure and so is the authors' blog:

  http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/

  The Russell story as the watch tower told it has always been mostly a myth. They know this.